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| pazu wrote: | | How about Beer Lao... I was cycling there last year, so hot that I was just thrilled to have a real cold beer (just above the freezing point) and it was beer Lao. That was the best beer I have ever had in my life! |
I like Beer Lao too! In Laos it's cheap and pretty good. I like it with beefsteak and fries, come to think about it steak is cheap in Laos too! (Or is the steak water buffalo, who cares.)
In the Philippines San Miguel beer is another winner. The P.I. seems to specialize in "Happy Hour" pricing in most of the bars you go stop at. San Miguel is now being sold routinely in Thailand since they stopped selling Carlsberg in the bars.
My favorite European beer is Carlsberg. When I was in the navy, about a "hundred years" ago, my ship pulled into Copenhagen and I had a chance to tour the Carlsberg brewery. Even back then they seemed to have their stuff together. I especially enjoyed their "hospitality room" where we got to sample lots of their products. Being young and stuppider then, my shipmates had to help me back to ship and pour me back into my rack. Lucky it was Carlsberg beer, there is less of a headache in the morning!
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I was going to whitter on about Czech beer which would be my chosen European beer but then i noticed other fans of Beer Lao. Yes my favourite beer by far what do they put in that stuff it just hits the spot every time.
As for cider theres a nice brewery near Norton Marleward down there in Somerset,it dont get any better than that.
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| laz wrote: |
Although I think Belgian beers are very very good, I think there are fewer different styles, and I think Germany's strict brewing regulations, although admirable, prevent interesting varieties from being produced.
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I have to completely disagree.
I love a good english ale, particularly a good pale ale (Samuel Smith's Old Brewery Pale Ale, Morland's 'Hen's Tooth' are particularly good examples).
To say that there is more variety in England than Belgium or Germany seems kind of sily though. In england, you are talking primarily about slight variations of the same thing. Belgium and Germany have a broader base to work with, the variety is huge.
Also - in regard to Greene King: they took over operation of Morland (Old Speckled Hen) years ago, and so far the quality has not suffered a bit.
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| Quote: | | Actually probably the best one I've had was a grasshopper in an expensive hotel somewhere around Banff area from memory - very light stuff, but not sure what brand of lager it was. |
It is made by a Calgary base Big Rock Brewery.
Grasshoper is a delicately hopped wheat ale. And is my favorite beer.
I think I will go have one in about 2 hrs. 
| Quote: | | Waitress was very cute and actually gave the impression that she really was happy to see people....very unusual when you come from the UK. |
That's because Sean was giving her his famous smile.... 
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| josee wrote: | Grasshoper is a delicately hopped wheat ale. And is my favorite beer.
I think I will go have one in about 2 hrs. |
Ah, so it's not just any lager (or similar) with lemon in it then? Btw, please can there be a ban on anyone mentioning going for a pint as I'm sitting here in the cold, wet and miserable UK with the nearest pub being downtown and half of those being an utter dive....and people are mentioning going to sit in a nice warm bar with nice looking barmaids drinking cold beers!
Erm folks, I might not be around for a week - going to Canada for a very expensive Grasshoper, mere £900 I'd guess and $3 for the pint!
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| DL-44 wrote: | | laz wrote: |
Although I think Belgian beers are very very good, I think there are fewer different styles, and I think Germany's strict brewing regulations, although admirable, prevent interesting varieties from being produced.
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I have to completely disagree.
I love a good english ale, particularly a good pale ale (Samuel Smith's Old Brewery Pale Ale, Morland's 'Hen's Tooth' are particularly good examples).
To say that there is more variety in England than Belgium or Germany seems kind of sily though. In england, you are talking primarily about slight variations of the same thing. Belgium and Germany have a broader base to work with, the variety is huge.
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I also completely disagree with you, so we're even  All beers are variations on the same thing - water, malt (and occasionally other sources of fermentable sugar) hops, yeast - so I don't get your point. I'm not sure in what way the German/Belgian base is broader, either.
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| laz wrote: | | All beers are variations on the same thing - water, malt (and occasionally other sources of fermentable sugar) hops, yeast - so I don't get your point. I'm not sure in what way the German/Belgian base is broader, either. |
Well, if you want to go that route with it, then everything in the universe is just a variation of everything else
Point being, the variations in England tend to be a whole lot closer to each other. While lagers are obviously brewed in England, it is not generally the highlight of a good brewery there. You have, in general, a great number of ales that have a great deal of similarity. Clearly some shine above the others, but the overall scope of variety is fairly limited.
Belgium and Germany are home to a broader base of styles to start from (ie lagers, ales, wheat beers, etc), and have a pretty wide variety of each style, allowing for an overall wider variety of beer.
This not in any way putting down english beer - if I had to choose one country of origin for my beer, it would be england. But - in my experience at least - the variety is to be found elsewhere.
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| Trev wrote: | Laz, if you come from the up't north Newcastle then can you please explain what that sludge called Newcastle Brown Ale is!?
Oh and yes, totally agree about Buds!!
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Hmmm... Broon Ale isn't the most pleasant drink, I agree. In fact, I find the beer (ale) in the NE very disappointing on the whole, compared to other places I've lived or other places where I have drunk a lot (Stockport, Manchester, Norwich, Preston).
| DL-44 wrote: | Point being, the variations in England tend to be a whole lot closer to each other. While lagers are obviously brewed in England, it is not generally the highlight of a good brewery there. You have, in general, a great number of ales that have a great deal of similarity. Clearly some shine above the others, but the overall scope of variety is fairly limited.
Belgium and Germany are home to a broader base of styles to start from (ie lagers, ales, wheat beers, etc), and have a pretty wide variety of each style, allowing for an overall wider variety of beer.
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I still don't agree - although most english beers are certainly top-fermented (i.e. ale-style beers) rather than bottom-fermented (lager-style beers), this still leads to an enormous variety ranging from the palest of pale ales through to almost black porters and stouts, and from lightly hopped milds through to heavily hopped IPAs, and from weak 3.0% session beers through to 10% barley wines., and every possible combination in between Then there are British fruit beers (you must try Grozet if you can find it, made from Gooseberries, and there are damson and cherry beers out there too) and spiced beers (such as the wonderful Umbel Magna made by Nethergate, or any of several ginger beers) or beers containing honey, and... even some devent lagers.
Having said that, I'm not criticising Belgian or German beers - both countries produce wonderful beers too. But I always think that we undersell British beer. I know many people from the UK even who have come back from Belgium astounded by the variety and quality of their beers, unaware that there's just as good beer here. In most Belgian bars, you can get a good variety of very good beers, but in the UK, people seem kind of embarassed of the good British beer traditions, and would rather be seen drinking pints of Aussie or Dutch mass-produced lager, or bottles of Bud....
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| Quote: | | I still don't agree - although most english beers are certainly top-fermented (i.e. ale-style beers) rather than bottom-fermented (lager-style beers), this still leads to an enormous variety ranging from the palest of pale ales through to almost black porters and stouts, and from lightly hopped milds through to heavily hopped IPAs, and from weak 3.0% session beers through to 10% barley wines., and every possible combination in between Then there are British fruit beers (you must try Grozet if you can find it, made from Gooseberries, and there are damson and cherry beers out there too) and spiced beers (such as the wonderful Umbel Magna made by Nethergate, or any of several ginger beers) or beers containing honey, and... even some devent lagers. |
I think the problem DL-44 has is that we don't see all of that variety here in the US. I was certainly unaware of all of that.
| Quote: | | but in the UK, people seem kind of embarassed of the good British beer traditions, and would rather be seen drinking pints of Aussie or Dutch mass-produced lager, or bottles of Bud.... |
I was working at a job a few years back where the customer I was working for had an English gentleman working for them also. We all went out to lunch together one day, an unusual day where we could actually drink alcohol during lunch, and I saw that they had Tenants on tap, which we don't find very often in the US. So I had a couple of pints of that during lunch. They also had a pretty good variety of ales available. I noticed that the Englishman was drinking Budweiser!!
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